“I’m going to stop you for a second,” she said, and argued to the radio host, born Lenard McKelvey, that he doesn’t actually know if “it was a lie” or why the president reversed course regarding the pardon.
“You really think he just changed his mind over Thanksgiving weekend all of a sudden?” Charlamagne asked.
“I think he changed his mind because he got sick of watching everybody else get over,” said Goldberg. “At some point, you get to the place where you just go, ’So I’m just going to follow the straight and narrow, always, ‘cause that’s what’s expected of Democrats?’”
Charlamagne said the expectation in this case came from the president himself, however, and slammed the team-based mentality of partisan loyalists who “refuse to be objective” about their own party.
Goldberg, a Democrat, said in response, “Democrats are not a monolith.”
“Why can’t you say when Democrats are wrong?” Charlamagne replied. “And why can’t Republicans say when Republicans are wrong?”
Goldberg claimed she does hold the party accountable on the air and reiterated that she doesn’t think the pardon was a political mistake.
Charlamagne called her response “ridiculous,” which Goldberg misheard as an insult, prompting him to repeat his claim and make amends on air.
“I didn’t say you were ridiculous, Ms. Goldberg,” said Charlamagne before they hugged. “I would never.”
This article originally appeared on HuffPost.
